The Johnson-Wallace & Fish-Kirk Families



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Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick and Margaret de Perche




Husband Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick 1 2

            AKA: Henry de Newburgh, Henry de Neubourg
           Born: Abt 1046
     Christened: 
           Died: 20 Jun 1123
         Buried:  - Preaux Abbey, Preaux, Normandy, France


         Father: Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemer (Abt 1015-1094) 3 4
         Mother: Adeline , of Meulan (Abt 1014-1081) 3 4


       Marriage: Bef 1100

Noted events in his life were:
• 1st Earl of Warwick, 1090

• Granted, Lordship of Gower in Wales, 1107




Wife Margaret de Perche 5

            AKA: Marguerite de Perche
           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: Aft 1155
         Buried: 


         Father: Geoffroy IV , Count of Mortagne, 1st Count de Perche (      -1100) 6
         Mother: Beatrix de Mondidier (      -1129) 7



Noted events in her life were:
• Living, 1156



Children
1 M Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick 8 9

           Born: Abt 1102
     Christened: 
           Died: 12 Jun 1153
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Gundred de Warenne (Abt 1117-Aft 1165) 10 11
           Marr: Bef 1130




Death Notes: Husband - Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick

Ancestral Roots has d. 1119 (Line 151-24, Margaret de Perche); Wikipedia has d. 20 Jun 1123.


Research Notes: Husband - Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick

From Wikipedia - Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick :

Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick (? - 20 June 1123 ) was a Norman nobleman. He is also known as Henry de Neubourg or Henry de Newburgh, from the castle of Newburg near Louviers , in Normandy where he was born.

Henry was the younger son of Roger de Beaumont and Adeline of Meulan , daughter of Waleran III, Count de Meulan . He inherited the modest lordship of La Neubourg, in central Normandy, but acquired a much greater holding in England, when, in reward for help in suppressing the Rebellion of 1088 , William II of England made him Earl of Warwick .

His name is included in the roll of the knights who came over with the William the Conqueror , but he does not appear to have been present at the Battle of Hastings . He spent the greater part of his life in Normandy , his name is not found in the Domesday Book . He took a leading role in reconciling the Conqueror with his eldest son Robert Curthose in 1081 and he stood high in the Conqueror's favour. He was the companion and friend of Henry I , and when in 1100 a division took place amongst the barons who had gathered together to choose a successor to William II, it was mainly owing to his advice that Henry was selected and when in the following year most of the barons were openly or secretly disloyal and favoured the attempt of Duke Robert to gain the Crown, he and his brother were amongst the few that remained faithful to the King.

He had many honours conferred upon him, in 1068 he was made Constable of Warwick Castle and shortly afterwards King William gave it to him together with the borough and manor. The Castle was enlarged and strengthened during the long succession of powerful lords, and it eventually became one of the most renowned of English fortresses and it remains even to-day the glory of the midland shires. The Bear and Ragged Staff was the badge of Guy the great opponent of the Danes, and Henry on his elevation to the Earldom in 1076 by William I, assumed it, and it has ever since been used by successive Earls. Odericus tells us that "he earned this honour by his valour and loyalty" and Wace speaks of him as "a brave man". He was made a Councillor by the King in 1079 and a Baron of the Exchequer in Normandy 12 April 1080 .

In 1099 he fought against the Welsh and built a castle at Abertawy , near Swansea , which was unsuccessfully attacked by the Welsh in 1113 ; he also captured the Gower Peninsula in the south of Glamorganshire . He built other castles at Penrhys , Llandhidian and Swansea in ll20 , together with the others at Oystermouth and Aberllychor , the only remains of the latter are a mound and a keep.

Some time between 1106 and 1116 he was granted the lordship of Gower in Wales .

Henry was by disposition quiet and retiring, and was overshadowed by his elder brother Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester , reputedly one of the most brilliant men in England.

He died 20 June 1123 and was buried in the Abbey at Preaux .

Family and children
He married before 1100 Marguerite, daughter of Geoffrey II of Perche and Beatrix of Montdidier , and had children:
Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick , who succeeded him as earl;
Henry de Neubourg, probably inherited Dorset and Devon estates.
Robert de Neubourg , who inherited Henry's Norman lands, and was Chief Justiciar of Normandy;
Rotrou (died 27 November 1183 ), who was Bishop of Évreux and then Archbishop of Rouen , and who was Chief Justiciar and Steward of Normandy.
Geoffroy.


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William I Talvas, Lord of Bellême and Alençon and Hildegarde de Beaumont




Husband William I Talvas, Lord of Bellême and Alençon 12 13

            AKA: Guillaume II Talvas Lord of Belleme and Alencon, William II Talvas Lord of Belleme and Alencon
           Born: Abt 995 - <Bellême, Perche>, Normandy, (France)
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 1048
         Buried: 


         Father: William , of Bellême (Abt 0935-0997) 14
         Mother: Mathilde , of Condé-sur-Noireau (Abt 0969-      )


       Marriage: Bef 1034

   Other Spouse: Hildeburg (      -Bef 1034) 13 - Bef 1025

Noted events in his life were:
• Count of Alençon, 1026-1030




Wife Hildegarde de Beaumont 15

            AKA: Bildeburge de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 1002
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Arnulf de Beaumont (Abt 0950-      )
         Mother: 





Children
1 M Viscount William de la Ferte-Macé 16 17 18 19

            AKA: William Lord of La Ferte-Macé, William Count de la Ferte-Macé, Viscount William de la Ferte Macé, William Ferte Massey, Ferte-Macé William de la
           Born: 1034 - Massey, <Cheshire, > England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Miss < > de Conteville, [stepmother of Hamon] (Abt 1037-      ) 20
           Marr: 1058 - Normandy, France




Death Notes: Husband - William I Talvas, Lord of Bellême and Alençon

d. after 1030


Research Notes: Husband - William I Talvas, Lord of Bellême and Alençon

Source:
http://masseyfamgenealogy.tripod.com/a31.htm#i3139 has William II Talvas.
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From Wikipedia - William I Talvas :

William I Talvas (c. 995-after 1030), seigneur of Alençon . He was a son of William of Bellême and Mathilde of Condé-sur-Noireau .

He assumed the Bellême estates upon the murder of his brother Robert, by the Sor family in revenge for the deaths of their father and brothers (Robert of Bellême had hanged them after their capture in battle). His reputation was that of a wicked man, "in all things worse than his brothers, and his wickedness has flourished to this day among his heirs."

He was married to Hildeburg, who was the mother of his son Arnulf and daughter Mabel . But his marriage was unsatisfying and he had his wife murdered on her way to church.

He soon married the daughter of Rodulf the vicomte of Beaumont. Then he angered his neighbors by mutilating one William of Giroie : the Giroie family and their allies raided his lands then invested his castle in revenge. His son Arnulf quarreled with him, and he threw him out. His enemies challenged him to come out and fight, but Talvas' courage failed him and he surrendered and was exiled: the vicomte's daughter abandoned him at this point. Only his daughter Mabel stood by him.

Although Arnulf got all his father's wealth and lands, it did him no good, and he was strangled one night in his sleep. After years of wandering about, Talvas and Mabel finally were taken in by the Montgomery family. And Talvas offered his daughter to Roger of Montgomery in marriage. These were the parents of Robert of Bellême , and a numerous family of other sons and daughters (nine in all). The girls are recorded as being of high moral character, but the Bellême-Montgomery sons were "dangerous, greedy and like madmen they harmed the poor."


Research Notes: Wife - Hildegarde de Beaumont

Second wife of William I Talvas.

From Wikipedia - William I Talvas:

His reputation was that of a wicked man, "in all things worse than his brothers, and his wickedness has flourished to this day among his heirs." He was married to Hildeburg, who was the mother of his son Arnulf and daughter Mabel . But his marriage was unsatisfying and he had his wife murdered on her way to church. He soon married the daughter of Rodulf the vicomte of Beaumont.

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Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Isabel de Beaumont




Husband Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke 21 22

            AKA: Gilbert de Clare 1st Earl of Pembroke
           Born: Abt 1100
     Christened: 
           Died: 6 Jan 1148
         Buried: 


         Father: Gilbert FitzRichard, de Clare (Abt 1065-Abt 1115) 23 24 25 26
         Mother: Adelaide de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis (Abt 1058-      ) 27 28


       Marriage: 




Wife Isabel de Beaumont

           Born: Aft 1102
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Sir Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester and Count of Meulan (Abt 1049-1118) 29 3 30
         Mother: Isabel de Vermandois, Countess of Leicester (Abt 1081-1131) 31 32





Children

Research Notes: Wife - Isabel de Beaumont

From Wikipedia - Elizabeth of Vermandois :

Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England . Married two times:
Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow , who invaded Ireland 1170 ;
Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

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Sir William Stanley, of Holt, K.G. and Joan Beaumont




Husband Sir William Stanley, of Holt, K.G. 33 34 35 36 37




           Born: Abt 1435 - Lathom, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 16 Feb 1495
         Buried: 


         Father: Sir Thomas de Stanley, K.G., 1st Baron Stanley, Lord Lt. of Ireland (1406-1459) 38 39 40 41 42 43 44
         Mother: Joan Goushill (Abt 1402-Aft 1459) 41 43 45 46


       Marriage: Bef 1466

   Other Spouse: Elizabeth Hopton (Abt 1427-1498) 47 48 - 1471 - <Moreton Corbet, Shropshire>, England

Noted events in his life were:
• Steward, to household of the Prince of Wales [Edward V], 1473

• Lord of Ridley, Cheshire

• Chamberlain of Chester

• Constable of North Wales

• Appointed, Chief Justice of North Wales by Richard III, 12 Nov 1483

• Granted, the whole of Bromfield and Yale by Richard III, 10 Dec 1484

• Battle, of Bosworth Field, 1485




Wife Joan Beaumont 49

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: Aug 1466
         Buried: 



Children

Death Notes: Husband - Sir William Stanley, of Holt, K.G.

Executed on Tower Hill, 16 February 1494/5.

Per Wikipedia, beheaded for an alleged share in the Perkin Warbeck conspiracy in 1495.

Per Reifsnyder-Gilliam Ancestry, beheaded in 1494.


Research Notes: Husband - Sir William Stanley, of Holt, K.G.

Knight of the Garter 1487. Beheaded for an alleged share in the Perkin Warbeck conspiracy in 1495.

Sir William Stanley ( ? - 1495) was the younger brother of Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby . Stanley fought with his troops in several battles of the Wars of the Roses .
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From Wikipedia - William Stanley :

"He is best known for actions in the Battle of Bosworth Field , where he changed sides, securing Henry VII's victory and crown.After the Battle of Tewkesbury, it was he who captured Queen Margaret(Margaret of Anjou ). For his intervention, the new king bestowed many favors on him. However, in 1495 Stanley was convicted of treason and executed for his support of the pretender Perkin Warbeck .He readily admitted to the crime as he thought that through a full confession he would escape execution. Indeed the King might have granted this, partly through mercy and partly to avoid upsetting Thomas Earl of Derby. However, the King feared that by doing this he would be putting himself in danger by encouraging others to undertake a similar act of folly. William was condemned and a few days later beheaded."
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From http://stanleyroots.co.uk/thenorthwest.htm :
Since 1200 the Stanleys had become important landowners and administrators in north-west England (especially Cheshire and Lancashire), and in 1485 the two brothers Sir Thomas Stanley and Sir William Stanley played a decisive role in winning the Battle of Bosworth for Henry Tudor and therefore in establishing the Tudor dynasty - a feat for which Thomas was created 1st Earl of Derby in 1485. Thereafter, the Earls of Derby were a prominent political force in north-west England for the next four centuries, with the 14th earl becoming Prime Minister three times, in 1852, 1858 and 1866.
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From Archæologia Cambrensis, Vol. VII, 6th Series, 1907, p. 18:

"On the fourth day of the Parliament of 17 Edward IV (1477), it was declared that Richard, the King's second son, was to be Duke of York and Norfolk, Earl Marshal, Warrenne, and Nottingham, and to marry Anne, daughter and heir to John late Duke of Norfolk, the said Anne being then but six years old; and if she should die without issue, the said Richard, Duke of Norfolk, should have, by consent of Elizabeth, Duchess of Norfolk (widow of the said John, Duke of Norfolk), 'for the terme of his life, the halvendale (that is, the moiety) of the Castell, Towne, Lordship and Maners of Dynesbran [of the] Castell, Lordshipp, and Towne of Lyons [and of] the Lordship, Maners, and Londes of Heulyngton, Bromefield, Yale, Wraxham, and Almore, with their appurtenaunces, in the Marche of Wales,' etc.

"This Richard, Duke of York, was one of the two young princes afterwards murdered in the Tower. His marriage was never consummated, and one of the above-named moieties, or 'halvendales,' of Bromfield and Yale became vested in the Crown. At a date which I cannot specify with precision, the other moiety--that of the Nevilles--became vested in the Crown also.

"Certain it is that on the 10th December, 1484, the whole of Bromfield and Yale, 'late of John, Duke of Norfolk, and Sir George Neville, knight,' was granted by Richard III to Sir William Stanley (see the grant set out in Arch. Camb., 1882, pp. 150 and 151). Nevertheless, in the fourth year of Henry VII (1488), Sir William Stanley only petitioned to continue to enjoy what was practically the moiety of the lordship, although he seems to have been allowed to retain the whole."
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From Archæologia Cambrensis, 1907, p. 22 :

"This splendid knight, as is well known, decided the issue of the battle of Bosworth, placing the crown upon the head of Henry, Earl of Richmond, and practically making him Henry VII of England. Many of his followers, or brothers-in-arms, were doubtless men from this neighbourhood. John ap Elis Eyton, whose tomb still stands in Ruabon church, was certainly at Bosworth. The Chevalier Lloyd and others assert that the new king granted Bromfield, Yale, and Chirland, to Sir William for his achievement, or (must we say?) treachery at the famous battle above-names; but the knight of Holt had, as we have seen, Bromfield and Yale, at any rate, before. He enriched Holt Castle, it is said, with the spoils of Bosworth field; but, however that may be, he was one of the richest subjects in the kingdom, and thus excited the envy and suspicion of the King, whose meanness saw in the splendour of Sir William a pretext for getting rid of one to whom he stood under such inconvenient obligations; so he was charged with being in active sympathy with Perkin Warbeck, was convicted, and executed on Tower Hill, 16th February, 1494/5, all his possessions escheating to the king...

"The arms borne by Sir William Stanley, of Holt, were these:--1, argent, on a bend azure, three bucks' heads caboshed or (Stanley); 2 or on a chief indented azure, three plates (Lathom); barry of six or and azure, a canton ermine (Goushill); and 4 gules, a lion rampant or (Fitzalan)."

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From http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/aldford.html (by Craig Thornber) :

Sir William Stanley of Holt in Denbighshire was the second son of Thomas the 1st Baron Stanley (1405-59). His elder brother was Thomas (1432-1504) who became the 2nd Baron Stanley and then the 1st Earl of Derby in 1485. Sir William supported the house of York in the Battle of Blore Heath in 1459. In 1461, Edward IV made Sir William Stanley the Chamberlain of Chester and Sheriff of Flintshire. He fought for the Yorkists at Hexham in 1466 and was given the Lordship and Castle of Skipton in Yorkshire which he subsequently exchanged for Chirk. He obtained additional land following the battle of Towton. After the battle of Tewkesbury in 1471 he took the news to Queen Margaret of her son's death and then took her to Coventry.

Edward IV's successor, Richard III, courted Sir William's support by various grants of manors and by appointing him Chief Justice for North Wales and Chief Commissioner for Shropshire. Sir William was suspicious of Richard because of the disappearance of the two princes and changed his allegiance to Henry Tudor. At the Battle of Bosworth Field, Sir William Stanley rescued Henry Tudor at a critical moment in the battle, struck down the King and is said to have found his crown in a thorn bush. He handed the crown to his elder brother Thomas who put it on the head of Henry Tudor. Henry VII appointed Sir William Stanley the Lord Chamberlain and Knight of the Garter and granted him additional lands that made him the richest commoner in England. Sir William's wealth and power inevitably attracted enemies and he was disappointed that his services had not led to a peerage. In 1489 he became Constable of Caernarvon and Beaumaris, and in 1490 Henry VII gave him the Lordships of Bromfield, Chirk and the castles of Dinas Bran, Holt and Chirk in confirmation of earlier grants of the latter two by Richard III.

Sir William as Lord Chancellor was arbitrator in the dispute between Sir John Stanley of Elford and his half-brother Sir Humphrey, mentioned above. He then bought the manors of Aldford and Nether Alderley in Cheshire from Sir John. Sir William was arrested and imprisoned in the Tower of London in 1494, on suspicion of being involved in the rebellion of Perkin Warbeck, who claimed to be the younger of the "princes in the tower" and therefore heir to Edward IV. At that time it was not known that the sons of Edward IV had both been murdered. Although Sir William had helped put Henry VII on the throne he was known to have been a strong supporter of Edward IV. He was quoted as saying that if Perkin Warbeck was the son of Edward IV he would not fight against him. This, and his unwillingness to confirm or deny his guilt, was sufficient to see him executed at the Tower on 16 February 1495. Below we look briefly at Sir William's heirs as they involve some other well-known families in Cheshire as indicated in the emboldening in the chart below.
1. Sir William Stanley died 1495
+ 1st wife, Joan, dau of 1st Viscount Beaumont. She died in August 1466
+ 2nd wife, Elizabeth, dau of Sir Thomas Hopton of Hopton in Cheshire, married in 1471. Sir William was her third husband, her second had been the Earl of Worcester and she had by him a son, of whom Sir William Stanley became guardian but the boy died in 1485. Elizabeth died in 1498.
2. William, 1472-1498. Following his father's execution in 1495, he lost his lands and also some offices such as Sheriff of Chester and Chamberlain of Chester which he had from his father.
+ Joan, the only daughter and heiress of Sir Geoffrey Massey of Tatton, Cheshire and Worsley near Salford in Lancashire. (After William Stanley's death in 1498 she married secondly in 1500 to Sir Edward Pickering and after his death in 1503 she married Sir John Brereton. She died in 1511, having only her daughter Joan Stanley as heiress.)
3. Joan Stanley, sole daughter, born in 1493, inherited her mother's Tatton estate. She died 5 April 1570.
+ 1st husband was John Ashton, son and heir of John Ashton of Ashton on Mersey. He died in 1513, with no issue.
+ 2nd husband was Richard Brereton, younger son of Sir Randle Brereton of Malpas in Cheshire.
4. Richard Brereton, died without issue.
4. Geoffrey Brereton
+ Alice dau of Piers Leycester of Nether Tabley in 1551.
5. Richard Brereton, only son, inherited Tatton estate in 1568 but died without issue on 18 December 1598.
+ Dorothy, daughter of Sir Richard Egerton of Ridley.
2. Jane, married Sir John Warburton, a Knight of the Body of Henry VII, son and heir of Piers Warburton of Arley in Cheshire, who had taken service with Sir William Stanley in 1461 and was a long standing friend. Married in 1487.
2. Catherine, married Thomas Cocat of Holt in Denbighshire.
Sources:
An Introduction to Aldford and Its Church, a pamphlet available in the church for 25 pence in 2002.
The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, incorporated with a republication of King's Vale Royal and Leycester's Cheshire Antiquities, 2nd Ed., revised and enlarged by Thomas Helsby, Esq., published by George Routledge and sons, Ludgate Hill, London, 1882. This is now available from the Family History Society of Cheshire on CD ROM. A reprint of the work was published by Eric Morten of Didsbury.
The House of Stanley from the 12th Century, by Peter Edmund Stanley, published by Pentland Press in 1998.

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William de Reviers and Mabel de Beaumont




Husband William de Reviers 50

            AKA: William de Vernon
           Born: Abt 1128 - <Devonshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 10 Sep 1217
         Buried:  - Christ Church, Twynham, Dorset, England


         Father: Baldwin de Reviers (Abt 1090-1155) 50
         Mother: Adeliza Lucia DeBaalum (Abt 1099-      ) 50


       Marriage: Abt 1189 - France




Wife Mabel de Beaumont 50

            AKA: Mabirie de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 1168 - <Meulan, Normandy>, France
     Christened: 
           Died: Aft 1 May 1204
         Buried: 


         Father: Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (Abt 1140-1207) 50
         Mother: Maud de Dunstanville (Abt 1143-      ) 50





Children
1 F Mary de Reviers 50

           Born: Abt 1183 - <Okehampton>, Devonshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Robert de Courtenay (1170-1242) 50
           Marr: 1213




Birth Notes: Husband - William de Reviers

FamilySearch has abt 1128 and abt 1155.


Birth Notes: Child - Mary de Reviers

FamilySearch has both abt. 1196 and abt. 1183. Both say Devonshire.
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Saher IV de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret de Beaumont




Husband Saher IV de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester 51 52

            AKA: Seer de Quincy, Saher de Quincey Earl of Winchester, Saher de Quincey Earl of Winchester, Saer de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester
           Born: 1155
     Christened: 
           Died: 3 Nov 1219 - Palestine
         Buried: 


         Father: Robert de Quincy, Lord of Buckley and of Fawside (      -Bef 1197) 51 52
         Mother: Orabilis , of Leuchars 51 52


       Marriage: Bef 1173 - England

Noted events in his life were:
• Governor of Castle of Ruil, in Normandy, 1203

• Created, Earl of Winchester, Bef 1210

• Magna Charta Surety, 1215

• Crusader, 1218-1219

• Siege of Damietta, 1219




Wife Margaret de Beaumont 3 53 54

            AKA: Margaret de Harcourt
           Born: Abt 1156 - <Hampshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 12 Jan 1235
         Buried: 


         Father: Sir Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester (Abt 1121-1190) 55 3 56
         Mother: Petronilla de Grandmesnil (Abt 1134-1212) 56 57 58





Children
1 F Lorette de Quincy (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



2 M Robert de Quincy 52 59

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 1217
         Buried: 



3 M Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester 3 60 61 62

            AKA: Roger de Quincey 2nd Earl of Winchester
           Born: Abt 1174 - <Winchester>, Hampshire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 25 Apr 1264 - England
         Buried:  - Brackley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
         Spouse: Helen , of Galloway (Abt 1208-1245) 63 64



4 M Robert II de Quincy 65 66

            AKA: Robert de Quincey, Robert the Younger de Quincey
           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 1257 - <Palestine>
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Elen ferch Llywelyn Fawr (Abt 1207-1253) 52 67
           Marr: Aft 1237
         Spouse: Hawise , of Chester, Countess of Lincoln (1180-Betw 1241) 68 69



5 F Hawise de Quincy (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford (Abt 1210-Bef 1263) 70 71 72




Research Notes: Husband - Saher IV de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester

From Wikipedia - Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester

Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (1155 - 1219 -11-03 ) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against King John of England , and a major figure in both Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.

Saer de Quincy's immediate background was in the Scottish kingdom: his father was a knight in the service of king William the Lion , and his mother was the heiress of the lordship of Leuchars in Fife (see below ). His rise to prominence in England came through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester : but it is probably no coincidence that her other brother was the de Quincys' powerful Fife neighbour, Roger de Beaumont , Bishop of St Andrews . In 1204, Earl Robert died, leaving Margaret as co-heiress of the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester .

Following his marriage, de Quincy became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. There is no evidence of any close alliance with King John , however, and his rise to importance was probably due to his newly-acquired magnate status and the family connections that underpinned it.

Family
The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest , and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune ; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci.

The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz , stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland . This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy . It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard , Matilda was also the paternal grandmother of Earl Saer's close ally, Robert Fitzwalter.

Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion . By 1170 he had married Orabilis , heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife , Strathearn and Lothian .

Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.

By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Saer de Quincy had three sons and three daughters:

Lorette who married Sir William de Valognes
Arabella who married Sir Richard Harcourt
Robert (d. 1217). Some sources say he married Hawise, sister and co-heiress of Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester . However, it is more likely Hawise married Saer's brother Robert II;
Roger , who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death);
Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; d. 1257) who married Helen , daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great ;
Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford .
His arms were: Or, a fess gules, in chief a label of seven points azure.


Death Notes: Wife - Margaret de Beaumont

Ancestral Roots, line 53-27 has "d. prob. on 12 Jan. 1234/5 but sh. bef. 12 Feb. 1234/5"


Research Notes: Wife - Margaret de Beaumont

Source: Wikipedia - Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford
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Source: Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester
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Richard de Beaumont




Husband Richard de Beaumont 26

           Born: Abt 1176 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 




Wife

           Born: 
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           Died: 
         Buried: 



Children
1 F Constance de Beaumont 26

           Born: Abt 1202 - <Flamsted, Hertfordshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Aft 1226
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Roger de Toeni (Abt 1156-Abt 1209) 73




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Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and Maud de Dunstanville




Husband Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan 50

           Born: Abt 1140 - Meulan, Normandy, France
     Christened: 
           Died: Oct 1207 - Palestine
         Buried: 


         Father: Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (1104-1166) 50 74
         Mother: Agnes de Montfort (Abt 1123-1181) 50


       Marriage: 1165 - Cornwall, England




Wife Maud de Dunstanville 50

           Born: Abt 1143 - Dunstanville, Kent, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Rainald de Dunstanville (Abt 1110-1175) 50
         Mother: Beatrice FitzWilliam (Abt 1114-      ) 50





Children
1 F Mabel de Beaumont 50

            AKA: Mabirie de Beaumont
           Born: Abt 1168 - <Meulan, Normandy>, France
     Christened: 
           Died: Aft 1 May 1204
         Buried: 
         Spouse: William de Reviers (Abt 1128-1217) 50
           Marr: Abt 1189 - France




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Sir Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester and Petronilla de Grandmesnil




Husband Sir Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester 55 3 56

            AKA: Robert "Blanchemains" de Harcourt 3rd Earl of Leicester
           Born: Abt 1121 - Beaumont, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 31 Aug 1190 - Durazzo, West Albania
         Buried: 


         Father: Sir Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (1104-1168) 75 3 76
         Mother: Amice de Gael de Montfort (Abt 1108-1168) 3 76 77


       Marriage: Abt 1155

Noted events in his life were:
• Crusader, 1179




Wife Petronilla de Grandmesnil 56 57 58

            AKA: Pernelle de Grandmesnil, Petronella de Grentemaisnil, Petronille de Grentmesnil
           Born: Abt 1134 - <Leicestershire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 1 Apr 1212 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
         Buried: 


         Father: Hugh de Grandmesnil (Abt 1092-      ) 57 58 78
         Mother: Alice Beaumont (Abt 1105-      ) 64





Children
1 F Margaret de Beaumont 3 53 54

            AKA: Margaret de Harcourt
           Born: Abt 1156 - <Hampshire>, England
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 12 Jan 1235
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Saher IV de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (1155-1219) 51 52
           Marr: Bef 1173 - England



2 M Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester 79

            AKA: Robert FitzPernel
           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: Abt 21 Oct 1204
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Loretta de Braose (living)



3 M Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



4 M William de Beaumont (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



5 F Amicia de Beaumont (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 




Research Notes: Husband - Sir Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester

From Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester

Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester (died 1190 ) was an English nobleman, one of the principal followers of Henry the Young King in the Revolt of 1173-1174 against his father Henry II . He is also called Robert Blanchemains (meaning "White Hands" in French ).

He was the son of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester , a staunch supporter of Henry II, and he inherited from his father large estates in England and Normandy .

When the revolt of the younger Henry broke out in April 1173 , Robert went to his castle at Breteuil in Normandy . The rebels' aim was to take control of the duchy, but Henry II himself led an army to besiege the castle; Robert fled, and the Breteuil was taken on September 25 or 26.

Robert apparently went to Flanders , where he raised a large force of mercenaries, and landed at Walton, Suffolk , on September 29 , 1173. He joined forces with Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk , and the two marched west, aiming to cut England in two across the Midlands and to relieve the king's siege of Robert's castle at Leicester . However, they were intercepted by the king's supporters and defeated in battle at Fornham , near Bury St Edmunds , on October 17 . Robert, along with his wife and many others, was taken prisoner. Henry II took away the earl's lands and titles as well.

He remained in captivity until January 1177 , well after most of the other prisoners had been released. The king was in a strong position and could afford to be merciful; not long after his release Robert's lands and titles were restored, but not his castles. All but two of his castles had been destroyed, and those two (Montsorrel in Leicestershire and Pacy in Normandy) remained in the king's hands.

Robert had little influence in the remaining years of Henry II's reign, but was restored to favor by Richard I . He carried one of the swords of state at Richard's coronation in 1189 . In 1190 Robert went on pilgrimage to Palestine , but he died in Greece on his return journey.

Family
Robert married Pernelle[1], who was either a granddaughter or great-granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil . They had five children:
Robert , who succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester ;
Roger , who became Bishop of St Andrews in 1189;
William, who was a leper;
Amicia, who married Simon III de Montfort , and whose son Simon subsequently became Earl of Leicester;
Margaret, who married Saer de Quincy , later 1st Earl of Winchester .


Research Notes: Wife - Petronilla de Grandmesnil

Source: Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester


Death Notes: Child - Margaret de Beaumont

Ancestral Roots, line 53-27 has "d. prob. on 12 Jan. 1234/5 but sh. bef. 12 Feb. 1234/5"
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Sir Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester and Amice de Gael de Montfort




Husband Sir Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester 75 3 76

            AKA: Robert "Bossu" de Beaumont 2nd Earl of Leicester
           Born: 1104 - <Leicester>, Leicestershire, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 5 Apr 1168 - England
         Buried:  - Leicester Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England


         Father: Sir Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester and Count of Meulan (Abt 1049-1118) 29 3 30
         Mother: Isabel de Vermandois, Countess of Leicester (Abt 1081-1131) 31 32




         Father: William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (Abt 1065-1138) 80 81 82
         Mother: Isabel de Vermandois, Countess of Leicester (Abt 1081-1131) 31 32


       Marriage: Aft 1120

Noted events in his life were:
• Knighted, 1122

• Justiciar of England, 1155-1168




Wife Amice de Gael de Montfort 3 76 77

            AKA: Amice de Gael, Amicia, Amice de Montfort
           Born: Abt 1108
     Christened: 
           Died: 31 Aug 1168 or 1169
         Buried: 


         Father: Ralph de Gael de Montfort (Abt 1078-      ) 77
         Mother: 





Children
1 M Sir Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester 55 3 56

            AKA: Robert "Blanchemains" de Harcourt 3rd Earl of Leicester
           Born: Abt 1121 - Beaumont, France
     Christened: 
           Died: 31 Aug 1190 - Durazzo, West Albania
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Petronilla de Grandmesnil (Abt 1134-1212) 56 57 58
           Marr: Abt 1155



2 F Hawise de Beaumont, of Leicester

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 24 Apr 1197
         Buried: 
         Spouse: William FitzRobert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester (Abt 1128-1183)
           Marr: Abt 1150



3 F Isabel de Beaumont (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



4 F Margaret de Beaumont (details suppressed for this person)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 




Research Notes: Husband - Sir Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester

From Wikipedia - Elizabeth of Vermandois -
Younger twin of Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan. Nicknamed Robert Bossu (the Humpback).

From Wikipedia - Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester :

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (1104 - 5 April 1168 ) was Justiciar of England 1155-1168.
The surname "de Beaumont" is given him by genealogists. The only known contemporary surname applied to him is "Robert son of Count Robert". Henry Knighton, the fourteenth-century chronicler notes him as Robert "Le Bossu" (meaning "Robert the Hunchback" in French ).

Early Life and Education
Robert was an English nobleman of Norman-French ancestry. He was the son of Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and 1st Earl of Leicester and Elizabeth de Vermandois . He was the twin brother of Waleran de Beaumont . There is no knowing whether they were identical or fraternal twins, but the fact that they are remarked on by contemporaries as twins indicates that they probably were in fact identical.

The two brothers, Robert and Waleran, were adopted into the royal household shortly after their father's death in June 1118 (upon which Robert inherited his father's second titles of Earl of Leicester). Their lands on either side of the Channel were committed to a group of guardians, led by their stepfather, William earl of Warenne or Surrey . They accompanied King Henry I to Normandy , to meet with Pope Callixtus II in 1119 , when the king incited them to debate philosophy with the cardinals . Both twins were literate, and Abingdon Abbey later claimed to have been Robert's school, but though this is possible, its account is not entirely trustworthy. A surviving treatise on astronomy (British Library ms Royal E xxv) carries a dedication "to Earl Robert of Leicester, that man of affairs and profound learning, most accomplished in matters of law" who can only be this Robert. On his death he left his own psalter to the abbey he founded at Leicester, which was still in its library in the late fifteenth century. The existence of this indicates that like many noblemen of his day, Robert followed the canonical hours in his chapel.

Career at the Norman Court
In 1120 Robert was declared of age and inherited most of his father's lands in England, while his twin brother took the French lands. However in 1121 , royal favour brought Robert the great Norman honors of Breteuil and Pacy-sur-Eure , with his marriage to Amice de Montfort , daughter of a Breton intruder the king had forced on the honor after the forfeiture of the Breteuil family in 1119 . Robert spent a good deal of his time and resources over the next decade integrating the troublesome and independent barons of Breteuil into the greater complex of his estates. He did not join in his brother's great Norman rebellion against King Henry I in 1123 -. He appears fitfully at the royal court despite his brother's imprisonment until 1129 . Thereafter the twins were frequently to be found together at Henry I's court.

Robert held lands throughout the country. In the 1120s and 1130s he tried to rationalise his estates in Leicestershire. Leicestershire estates of the See of Lincoln and the Earl of Chester were seized by force. This enhanced the integrity of Robert's block of estates in the central midlands, bounded by Nuneaton , Loughborough , Melton Mowbray and Market Harborough .

In 1135 , the twins were present at King Henry's deathbed. Robert's actions in the succession period are unknown, but he clearly supported his brother's decision to join the court of the new king Stephen before Easter 1136 . During the first two years of the reign Robert is found in Normandy fighting rival claimants for his honor of Breteuil. Military action allowed him to add the castle of Pont St-Pierre to his Norman estates in June 1136 at the expense of one of his rivals. From the end of 1137 Robert and his brother were increasingly caught up in the politics of the court of King Stephen in England, where Waleran secured an ascendancy which lasted till the beginning of 1141. Robert participated in his brother's political coup against the king's justiciar, Roger of Salisbury (the Bishop of Salisbury ).

...
Family and children
He married after 1120 Amice de Montfort , daughter of Ralph, senior of Gael or Montfort . They had four children:
Hawise, who married William Fitz Robert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester ;
Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester ;
Isabel, who married with:
Simon II of St Liz, 4th Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton ;
Gervase Paynel of Dudley.
Margaret, who married Ralph V de Toeni

Literary references
He is a minor character in The Holy Thief, one of the Brother Cadfael series by Ellis Peters .

Notes
^ a b c Powicke Handbook of British Chronology p. 69

References
D. Crouch, The Beaumont Twins: the Roots and Branches of Power in the Twelfth Century (Cambridge, 1986).
D. Crouch, The Reign of King Stephen, 1135-1154 (London, 2000).
E. King, "Mountsorrel and its region in King Stephen's Reign", Huntington Library Quarterly, 44 (1980), 1-10.
Leicester Abbey, ed. J. Storey, J. Bourne and R. Buckley (Leicester, 2006).
Powicke, F. Maurice and E. B. Fryde Handbook of British Chronology 2nd. ed. London:Royal Historical Society 1961
British Library ms Royal E xxv.


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20 http://www.familysearch.org, Compact Disc #94 Pin #103116 (submitted by Samuel Taylor "Sam" Geer).

21 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 184-4.

22 Wikipedia.org, Gilbert Fitz Richard. Cit. Date: 17 Oct 2009.

23 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 184-3, 246-24 (Adelaide de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis), 246B-24 (Adelaide).

24 Website - Genealogy, http://www.smokykin.com/ged/f001/f95/a0019557.htm.

25 Wikipedia.org, Gilbert Fitz Richard; Aubrey de Vere II.

26 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 28 Jul 2009.

27 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 246-24, 246B-24.

28 Website - Genealogy, http://www.smokykin.com/ged/f001/f95/a0019558.htm.

29 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 50-24 (Isabel de Vermandois).

30 Wikipedia.org, Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester.

31 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Lines 50-24, 53-24, 83-24, 84-24, 88-25, 89-25, 140-24, 170-23 184-4, 215-24.

32 Wikipedia.org, Elizabeth of Vermandois.

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34 Wikipedia.org, William Stanley; William Stanley [Battle of Bosworth].

35 Glenn, Thomas Allen, ed, Reifsnyder-Gillam Ancestry. (Philadelphia: (Privately Printed), 1902.), p. 53.

36 Website:, http://stanleyroots.co.uk/thenorthwest.htm.

37 Cambrian Archæological Association, Archæologia Cambrensis, the Journal of the Cambrian Archæological Association. (Vol. 7, 6th series. London: Chas. J. Clark, 1907.), pp. 18-19.

38 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 57-36, 20-33.

39 Seacome, John, The History of the House of Stanley From the Conquest to the Death of the Right Honourable Edward, Late Earl of Derby, in 1776. (Manchester: J. Gleave, 1821.), p. 229.

40 Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd. (Vol. 4. London: Whiting & Co., 1884.), p. 342.

41 Glenn, Thomas Allen, ed, Reifsnyder-Gillam Ancestry. (Philadelphia: (Privately Printed), 1902.), pp. 52-53.

42 Wikipedia.org, Thomas Stanley, 1st Baron Stanley.

43 Website:, www.whitneygen.org/archives/biography/princewm.html.

44 Website:, http://www.varrall.net/pafg55.htm#1127.

45 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 20-33.

46 Website:, http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v11p101.htm (Manx Notebook v. 11).

47 Website:, http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/aldford.html.

48 Website - Genealogy, http://www.myrootsplace.com/getperson.php?personID=I35573&tree=MyRootsPlace.

49 Website:, http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/aldford.html (Craig Thornber).

50 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 14 Aug 2009.

51 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27 (Margaret de Beaumont).

52 Wikipedia.org, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester.

53 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-27.

54 Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford; Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.

55 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-26.

56 Wikipedia.org, Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.

57 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-26 (Sir Robert de Beaumont).

58 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 19 Jul 2009.

59 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), pp. 121-122.

60 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-28, 57-28.

61 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 122.

62 Wikipedia.org, Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester. Cit. Date: 17 Oct 2009.

63 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 38-27, 53-28 (Roger de Quincy).

64 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 20 Jul 2009.

65 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 54-28.

66 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 102.

67 Wikipedia.org, Elen ferch Llywelyn.

68 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 125-29, 54-28 (Robert II de Quincy).

69 Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Kevelioc, 5th Earl of Chester.

70 Wikipedia.org, Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford.

71 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 60-28 (Hawise de Quincy).

72 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi. Rec. Date: 25 Aug 2001, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3174654&id=I593871754.

73 http://www.familysearch.org, Cit. Date: 26 Jul 2009.

74 Wikipedia.org, Elizabeth of Vermandois. Cit. Date: 14 Aug 2009.

75 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-25.

76 Wikipedia.org, Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.

77 Weis, Frederick Lewis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr; William R. Beall and Kaleen E. Beall, eds, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (8th ed. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2008.), Line 53-25 (Robert de Beaumont), 63-25 (Robert de Beaumont).

78 Browning, Charles Henry, The Magna Charta Barons and their American Descendants (Philadelphia, 1898.), p. 121.

79 Wikipedia.org, Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester; Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.

80 Wikipedia.org, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey.

81 Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd. (Vol. 5. London: Whiting & Co., 1885.), p. 413.

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